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Pope: “Hypocrites Dont Have the Intelligence to Find God”
Pontiff Speaks on the Nature of Hypocrisy During Morning Mass
By Junno Arocho Esteves
VATICAN CITY, June 19, 2013 (Zenit.org) – Pope Francis strongly condemned hypocrisy during his homily at Mass this morning in the Chapel of Domus Sanctae Marthae. The Holy Father concelebrated Mass with Cardinal Marc Ouellet and Archbishop Lorenzo Baldisseri, the prefect and secretary of the Congregation for Bishops.
Also concelebrating were Archbishop Vincenzo Paglia and Bishop Jean Lafitte, the president and secretary of the Pontifical Council of the Family. Members of the Congregation of Bishops and of the Pontifical Council of the Family were also in attendance at the Mass.
Reflecting on Christ’s words in the Gospel of St. Matthew, the Holy Father compared the behavior of the scribes and Pharisees with the Jesus’ instruction on the proper manner to behave when giving alms and praying. In their hypocrisy, the Pope said, the Pharisees “don’t have the intelligence to find God, to explain God with understanding, and so prevent themselves and others from entering into the Kingdom of God.”
“Jesus says: ‘You do not enter yourselves, nor do you allow entrance to others.’ They are ethicists without goodness, they do not know what goodness is. But they are ethicists, aren’t they? ‘You have to do this, and this, and this . . .’ They fill you with precepts, but without goodness.
Pope Francis also noted another form of hypocrisy: those who use Christian piety to elevate themselves. “The Lord speaks about fasting, about prayer, about almsgiving: the three pillars of Christian piety, of interior conversion, that the Church proposes to us all in Lent,” the Holy Father said.
“There are even hypocrites along this path, who make a show of fasting, of giving alms, of praying. I think that when hypocrisy reaches this point in the relation with God, we are coming very close to the sin against the Holy Spirit. These do not know beauty, they do not know love, these do not know the truth: they are small, cowardly.”
The 76 year old Pontiff also spoke candidly on hypocrisy within the Church and “ how bad it makes all of us.” Pope Francis told the faithful that it is important to look at the example of the publican mentioned in the Gospel who prayed: “Have mercy on me, O Lord, a sinner.”
“This is the prayer we should say every day, knowing that we are sinners but with concrete sins, not theoretical [sin],” the Holy Father concluded.
“But all of us also have grace, the grace that comes from Jesus Christ: the grace of joy; the grace of magnanimity, of largesse. Hypocrites do not know what joy is, what largesse is, what magnanimity is.”

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    June 20, 2013 at 6:22 pm
    Gee i do think the Pops on to something– but don’t point your finger at me — mannn


    the Pope said, the Pharisees “don’t have the intelligence to find God,

    he could be on to something– it only took 2000 years to start to figure it out

    She told me yesterday that she doesn’t believe that one should have to go to church once a week to go to heaven. She wants a religion that she can practice wherever she is, especially if that place does not have a church. She also doesn’t agree with some of the teachings. For example, she doesn’t agree with the teachings on some of the modern issues.
    God permits us to choose hell just as he permits one conditionally to choose heaven.

    Your friend seems to be blaming “theee Church” for What God Himself commands.
    Actions ALWAYS have consequences. Sooner or later one must, and certainly WILL pay for their personal choices.

    She could “just start her own church”. If she chooses to deny the CC it would result in the same judgment.

    Let het know this and PRAY for her.
    God Bless,
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    Re: Different religion
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    Originally Posted by 1answer
    thought i’d add to this– i know quite a few non-praticing catholics– the bible says “raise them up in the Lord, and when they are “old” they will not depart”
    the reality of “end of life” is an eye opener–


    as for rules in the catholic church i believe there are 1276 , where in the OLD testament there are only 613

    I am sure there have been many more rules than this over the millenia. There is a major difference between Catholic canon law, though. and the OT Law. The Mosaic Law, and all the Levitical laws emanating from it were for the purpose of defining the people of God within their culture. The Catholic canon law is to govern the members of the Church in matters pertaining to daily life. While the Levitical and Mosaic laws could not be changed, Church canon laws do change.
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    =guanophore;10466597]I am sure there have been many more rules than this over the millenia. There is a major difference between Catholic canon law, though. and the OT Law. The Mosaic Law, and all the Levitical laws emanating from it were for the purpose of defining the people of God within their culture. The Catholic canon law is to govern the members of the Church in matters pertaining to daily life. While the Levitical and Mosaic laws could not be changed, Church canon laws do change.
    [quote]


    Originally Posted by 1answer

    thought i’d add to this– i know quite a few non-praticing catholics– the bible says “raise them up in the Lord, and when they are “old” they will not depart”
    the reality of “end of life” is an eye opener–


    as for rules in the catholic church i believe there are 1276 , where in the OLD testament there are only 613[quote]
    Interestering

    What is the Source for this number? My copy of Canon Law shows “2,414″.
    God Bless,
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    thought i’d add to this– i know quite a few non-praticing catholics– the bible says “raise them up in the Lord, and when they are “old” they will not depart”
    the reality of “end of life” is an eye opener–
    as for rules in the catholic church i believe there are 1276 , where in the OLD testament there are only 613
    Quote:
    Interestering
    What is the Source for this number? My copy of Canon Law shows “2,414″.
    God Bless,
    pat/PJM
    Darn i guess my copy of the baltimore catechism must be wrong– so thanks for the update on the number or ordanaces
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    Re: Different religion
    Originally Posted by ThePerson

    I am not sure exactly where to put this, so I put it here. My friend is considering converting to another religion outside of Catholicism, which she has been part of since she was born. I have tried to talk her out of it, but she has made up her mind, and as her friend I have decided to respect her decision. She was baptized as a baby. 

    Is there anything official she has to do to leave the Church? She is going to continue going to a Catholic school since she loves the small classes and teachers. The problem is, we go to mass once a month as a school. What should she do about that. I am asking because she is too afraid to ask for herself. Also, I am curious, if she leaves the church, but comes back, will she have to be baptized again? Any answers would be appreciated, thank you.



    hello i interested in what religion is this person considering to be come identified with?

    as i have known many former catholics that attend other denominations, and they have found peace and contentment with other assemblies.. but the counsel of trent did anamithia everyone out side of the catholic religion, but as you can see that this has not stopped people from seeking spiritual answers and results – else where..
    each protestant domination offers a part that appeals to one’s individual intelligence and spiritual maturity.
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    =1toolbox;10548833]Originally Posted by ThePerson

    I am not sure exactly where to put this, so I put it here. My friend is considering converting to another religion outside of Catholicism, which she has been part of since she was born. I have tried to talk her out of it, but she has made up her mind, and as her friend I have decided to respect her decision. She was baptized as a baby. Is there anything official she has to do to leave the Church? She is going to continue going to a Catholic school since she loves the small classes and teachers. The problem is, we go to mass once a month as a school. What should she do about that. I am asking because she is too afraid to ask for herself. Also, I am curious, if she leaves the church, but comes back, will she have to be baptized again? Any answers would be appreciated, thank you.


    hello i interested in what religion is this person considering to be come identified with?
    as i have known many former catholics that attend other denominations, and they have found peace and contentment with other assemblies.. 

    but the counsel of trent did anamithia everyone out side of the catholic religion, but as you can see that this has not stopped people from seeking spiritual answers and results – else where..



    each protestant domination offers a part that appeals to one’s individual intelligence and spiritual maturity.

    OR One MUST ADD in doing so VERY likely chosing eternal damnatio in theprocess:



    And NO, it’s not my opinion [although I agree with tis truth]


    Patrick j miron delusional false commentary

    Heb. 6: 2-8
    [caps for emphasis not shouting]

    TAKE NOTE THAT WHEN THESE WORDS WERE WRITTEN THE ONLY GOD; FAITH AND “CHURCH” WAS TODAYS CC.


    “Of the doctrine of baptisms, and imposition of hands, and of the resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this will we do, if God permit. 


    For it is impossible** for those who were once illuminated,[GRANTED GRACE 4 TRUE FAITH singular]] have tasted also the heavenly gift,[CATHOLIC EUCHARIST] 


    and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,[SAC. OF CONFIRMATION]] 


    Have moreover tasted the good word of God,[CORRECT BIBLE TEACHINGS] And are fallen away: to be renewed again to penance, [SAC. OF CONFESSION] 


    crucifying again to themselves the Son of God, and making him a mockery. 


    For the earth that drinketh in the rain which cometh often upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is tilled, receiveth blessing from God. 


    But that which bringeth forth thorns and briers, is reprobate, and very near unto a curse, whose 

    end is to be burnt


    “IMPOSSIBLE” here does NOT mean that repentace can’t take place; only that Gods necessary 

    grace to do so will be difficult to attain.


    One God

    Founded only His One Church
    & w/ it Only One set of faith beliefs.


    There is absolutely NO doubt that choosing to leave the CC is choosing to Abandon God!
    Amen

    Patrick j miron delusional false commentary



    We MUST serve God HIS WAY; period!
    Let us pray for those fooling and selfish enough to have made such a choice
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    Mar 28, ’13, 11:23 am
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    Re: Different religion
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    Originally Posted by 1answer
    thought i’d add to this– i know quite a few non-praticing catholics– the bible says “raise them up in the Lord, and when they are “old” they will not depart”
    the reality of “end of life” is an eye opener–
    as for rules in the catholic church i believe there are 1276 , where in the OLD testament there are only 613
    Only 1276?



    I would figure you would have to credit at least 1 a year, has to be 2000+.
    edit, ah I see some other answers caught me, didn’t scroll down.
    Should not knowing all the laws one’s country has on the books be a cause to depart (or deport)?
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    My friend is considering converting to another religion outside of Catholicism…. she has made up her mind…. Is there anything official she has to do to leave the Church?
    It is no longer possible to formally defect from the Catholic Church. If she starts practicing another religion, she simply starts practicing another religion.
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    we go to mass once a month as a school. What should she do about that.
    If attendance is obligatory for students, including non-Catholic students, she should probably continue to attend. While there, she does not have to do anything that would violate her religion or conscience. If she is practicing another religion, she should no longer receive the Eucharist.
    If attendance is not obligatory for non-Catholic students, she might opt out.
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    if she leaves the church, but comes back, will she have to be baptized again?
    No. She would go to the sacrament of reconciliation.
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    Re: Different religion
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    Originally Posted by PJM
    Patrick j miron delusional false commentary



    OR One MUST ADD in doing so VERY likely chosing eternal damnatio in theprocess:
    And NO, it’s not my opinion [although I agree with tis truth]



    Heb. 6: 2-8
    [caps for emphasis not shouting]

    TAKE NOTE THAT WHEN THESE WORDS WERE WRITTEN THE ONLY GOD; FAITH AND “CHURCH” WAS TODAYS CC.



    “Of the doctrine of baptisms, and imposition of hands, and of the resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.


     And this will we do, if God permit. 


    For it is impossible** for those who were once illuminated,

    [GRANTED GRACE 4 TRUE FAITH singular]] 


    have tasted also the heavenly gift,[CATHOLIC EUCHARIST] 



    and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,[SAC. OF CONFIRMATION]] 


    Have moreover tasted the good word of God,[CORRECT BIBLE TEACHINGS] 



    And are fallen away: to be renewed again to penance, [SAC. OF CONFESSION] 


    crucifying again to themselves the Son of God, and making him a mockery. 



    For the earth that drinketh in the rain which cometh often upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is tilled, receiveth blessing from God. 


    But that which bringeth forth thorns and briers, is reprobate, and very near unto a curse, whose end is to be burnt


    “IMPOSSIBLE” here does NOT mean that repentace can’t take place; only that Gods necessary grace to do so will be difficult to attain.


    One God

    Founded only His One Church
    & w/ it Only One set of faith beliefs.




    There is absolutely NO doubt that choosing to leave the CC is choosing to Abandon God!
    Amen

    Patrick j miron delusional false commentary



    We MUST serve God HIS WAY; period!

    Let us pray for those fooling and selfish enough to have made such a choice

    hello i would like to know the commentary you are referring to on Hebrews 6, as i have not seen 


    that use of these verses used to justify the sacraments



    thanks i would guess this commentary is common knowledge some where on this catholic answers forum
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    Re: Different religion
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PJM



    OR One MUST ADD in doing so VERY likely chosing eternal damnatio in theprocess:

    And NO, it’s not my opinion [although I agree with tis truth]


    Heb. 6: 2-8
    [caps for emphasis not shouting]


    TAKE NOTE THAT WHEN THESE WORDS WERE WRITTEN THE ONLY GOD; FAITH AND 


    “CHURCH” WAS TODAYS CC.


    “Of the doctrine of baptisms, and imposition of hands, and of the resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this will we do, if God permit. 


    For it is impossible** for those who were once illuminated,[GRANTED GRACE 4 TRUE FAITH singular]] 



    have tasted also the heavenly gift,[CATHOLIC EUCHARIST] and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,[SAC. OF CONFIRMATION]] 


    Have moreover tasted the good word of God,[CORRECT BIBLE TEACHINGS] 


    And are fallen away: to be renewed again to penance, [SAC. OF CONFESSION] 


    crucifying again to themselves the Son of God, and making him a mockery.


     For the earth that drinketh in the rain which cometh often upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is tilled, receiveth blessing from God. 


    But that which bringeth forth thorns and briers, is reprobate, and very near unto a curse, whose end is to be burnt


    “IMPOSSIBLE” here does NOT mean that repentace can’t take place; only that Gods necessary grace to do so will be difficult to attain.


    One God

    Founded only His One Church
    & w/ it Only One set of faith beliefs.




    There is absolutely NO doubt that choosing to leave the CC is choosing to Abandon God!
    Amen


    We MUST serve God HIS WAY; period!


    Let us pray for those fooling and selfish enough to have made such a choice

    Heb. 6: 2-8

    [caps for emphasis not shouting]
    TAKE NOTE THAT WHEN THESE WORDS WERE WRITTEN THE ONLY GOD; FAITH AND 

    “CHURCH” WAS TODAYS CC.




    are u sure??



    saint paul as some people say wrote hebrews around 65 ad, and temple worship was in place at that time–

    and saint paul was said to be warning the people that they could not go back to animal sacrifice, as 

    pointed out in hebrews chapter 5- because Jesus was the completed and perfect sacrifice- and no 

    longer bull and goats could do the job.


    i don’t believe the sacramental system of today CC was in place at this time–


    all though Baptism is mentioned in this section of verses- so obviously that was part of saint paul commentary

    . and further more the heavenly gift was said to be the baptism of the Holy Spirit and all of it’s 


    manifestations..as in Acts 19 — in that paul said have you received the Holy Spirit


    so i also m interested in this unusual sacramental commentary you have posted, and where you 


    copied it from.
    thanks


    i m guessing that the counsel of trent had something to do with it





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    She told me yesterday that she doesn’t believe that one should have to go to church once a week to go to heaven. She wants a religion that she can practice wherever she is, especially if that place does not have a church. She also doesn’t agree with some of the teachings. For example, she doesn’t agree with the teachings on some of the modern issues.
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    I am not sure exactly where to put this, so I put it here. My friend is considering converting to another religion outside of Catholicism, which she has been part of since she was born. I have tried to talk her out of it, but she has made up her mind, and as her friend I have decided to respect her decision. She was baptized as a baby. Is there anything official she has to do to leave the Church? She is going to continue going to a Catholic school since she loves the small classes and teachers. The problem is, we go to mass once a month as a school. What should she do about that. I am asking because she is too afraid to ask for herself. Also, I am curious, if she leaves the church, but comes back, will she have to be baptized again? Any answers would be appreciated, thank you.
    May I ask the age of your friend?
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    I am not sure exactly where to put this, so I put it here. My friend is considering converting to another religion outside of Catholicism, which she has been part of since she was born. I have tried to talk her out of it, but she has made up her mind, and as her friend I have decided to respect her decision. She was baptized as a baby. Is there anything official she has to do to leave the Church? She is going to continue going to a Catholic school since she loves the small classes and teachers. The problem is, we go to mass once a month as a school. What should she do about that. I am asking because she is too afraid to ask for herself. Also, I am curious, if she leaves the church, but comes back, will she have to be baptized again? Any answers would be appreciated, thank you.
    You are a true friend, first for trying to dissuade her and second for respecting her decision. I assume that you will come to her defense if there is any backlash against her, which is a possibility. I also assume you are in high school, which I personally hated attending; try not to let any social pressures divide you in the coming years and make sure you respect her beliefs and that she respects yours in return. You might need her in the future if you attend college together, many colleges have an anti-Christian atmosphere which is allowed to continue and continue unabated, I know I attend one. If this is the case she could return the favors you will be bestowing on her now. Good luck and may God bless you both.
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    It might be useful for you to learn more about what she is looking into and why…Obviously she is looking for something that “fits her’ and may not realize that it could very well exist within the Church.
    Being young her view of the Church is probably very legalistic. The Church has rules, and “bosses” etc. She likely sees the church as rather judgmental, and perhaps not very inclusive (gender issues?). She may see the Church as not being very tied to things natural or have a deeply spiritual aspect of the type that she might see in other belief systems.
    In most all of these cases she would be wrong.
    Yes the Church does have leaders and has many rules…but that is barely the surface and that surface only exists as evidence of much deeper and more profound spiritual aspects.
    If you can find out what is that draws her to some other faith or belief system, I’ll wager that the same sort of spirituality can be found in Catholicism.
    You might ask her what her “ideal” spirituality would be (what “fits” her) and if you posted it here – or in a new thread – I’m sure that the good people here could point you and her to great spiritual reading and spiritual paths that would give her a great deal to think about and consider….(Catholics believe that???)(Catholic saints did that???)
    Try it. Be interested in her studies. Draw her out on what she is looking for. The Catholic Church headed by God’s only Son, most likely has it in some form.
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    thought i’d add to this– i know quite a few non-praticing catholics– the bible says “raise them up in the Lord, and when they are “old” they will not depart”
    the reality of “end of life” is an eye opener–
    as for rules in the catholic church i believe there are 1276 , where in the OLD testament there are only 613
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    thought i’d add to this– i know quite a few non-praticing catholics– the bible says “raise them up in the Lord, and when they are “old” they will not depart”
    the reality of “end of life” is an eye opener–
    as for rules in the catholic church i believe there are 1276 , where in the OLD testament there are only 613
    Be interested to know the source for the 1296 number. Just out of curiosity.
    Of course if one only looks at the number of rules it can seem quite daunting. Yet in reality there is only one principle upon all else is based, and only Two great commands upon which all else rests. The Principle is Love and the Commands are found in Mt 22:36-40.
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    =ThePerson;10440267]She told me yesterday that she doesn’t believe that one should have to go to church once a week to go to heaven. She wants a religion that she can practice wherever she is, especially if that place does not have a church. She also doesn’t agree with some of the teachings. For example, she doesn’t agree with the teachings on some of the modern issues.
    God permits us to choose hell just as he permits one conditionally to choose heaven.
    Your friend seems to be blaming “theee Church” for What God Himself commands.
    Actions ALWAYS have consequences. Sooner or later one must, and certainly WILL pay for their personal choices.
    She could “just start her own church”. If she chooses to deny the CC it would result in the same judgment.
    Let het know this and PRAY for her.
    God Bless,
    PJM/pat
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    thought i’d add to this– i know quite a few non-praticing catholics– the bible says “raise them up in the Lord, and when they are “old” they will not depart”
    the reality of “end of life” is an eye opener–
    as for rules in the catholic church i believe there are 1276 , where in the OLD testament there are only 613
    I am sure there have been many more rules than this over the millenia. There is a major difference between Catholic canon law, though. and the OT Law. The Mosaic Law, and all the Levitical laws emanating from it were for the purpose of defining the people of God within their culture. The Catholic canon law is to govern the members of the Church in matters pertaining to daily life. While the Levitical and Mosaic laws could not be changed, Church canon laws do change.
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    =guanophore;10466597]I am sure there have been many more rules than this over the millenia. There is a major difference between Catholic canon law, though. and the OT Law. The Mosaic Law, and all the Levitical laws emanating from it were for the purpose of defining the people of God within their culture. The Catholic canon law is to govern the members of the Church in matters pertaining to daily life. While the Levitical and Mosaic laws could not be changed, Church canon laws do change.
    [quote]Originally Posted by 1answer
    thought i’d add to this– i know quite a few non-praticing catholics– the bible says “raise them up in the Lord, and when they are “old” they will not depart”
    the reality of “end of life” is an eye opener–
    as for rules in the catholic church i believe there are 1276 , where in the OLD testament there are only 613[quote]
    Interestering
    What is the Source for this number? My copy of Canon Law shows “2,414″.
    God Bless,
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    [quote=PJM;10469140][quote]Originally Posted by 1answer
    thought i’d add to this– i know quite a few non-praticing catholics– the bible says “raise them up in the Lord, and when they are “old” they will not depart”
    the reality of “end of life” is an eye opener–
    as for rules in the catholic church i believe there are 1276 , where in the OLD testament there are only 613
    Quote:
    Interestering
    What is the Source for this number? My copy of Canon Law shows “2,414″.
    God Bless,
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    Darn i guess my copy of the baltimore catechism must be wrong– so thanks for the update on the number or ordanaces
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    Originally Posted by ThePerson
    I am not sure exactly where to put this, so I put it here. My friend is considering converting to another religion outside of Catholicism, which she has been part of since she was born. I have tried to talk her out of it, but she has made up her mind, and as her friend I have decided to respect her decision. She was baptized as a baby. Is there anything official she has to do to leave the Church? She is going to continue going to a Catholic school since she loves the small classes and teachers. The problem is, we go to mass once a month as a school. What should she do about that. I am asking because she is too afraid to ask for herself. Also, I am curious, if she leaves the church, but comes back, will she have to be baptized again? Any answers would be appreciated, thank you.
    hello i interested in what religion is this person considering to be come identified with?
    as i have known many former catholics that attend other denominations, and they have found peace and contentment with other assemblies.. but the counsel of trent did anamithia everyone out side of the catholic religion, but as you can see that this has not stopped people from seeking spiritual answers and results – else where..
    each protestant domination offers a part that appeals to one’s individual intelligence and spiritual maturity.
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    =1toolbox;10548833]Originally Posted by ThePerson
    I am not sure exactly where to put this, so I put it here. My friend is considering converting to another religion outside of Catholicism, which she has been part of since she was born. I have tried to talk her out of it, but she has made up her mind, and as her friend I have decided to respect her decision. She was baptized as a baby. Is there anything official she has to do to leave the Church? She is going to continue going to a Catholic school since she loves the small classes and teachers. The problem is, we go to mass once a month as a school. What should she do about that. I am asking because she is too afraid to ask for herself. Also, I am curious, if she leaves the church, but comes back, will she have to be baptized again? Any answers would be appreciated, thank you.
    hello i interested in what religion is this person considering to be come identified with?
    as i have known many former catholics that attend other denominations, and they have found peace and contentment with other assemblies.. but the counsel of trent did anamithia everyone out side of the catholic religion, but as you can see that this has not stopped people from seeking spiritual answers and results – else where..
    each protestant domination offers a part that appeals to one’s individual intelligence and spiritual maturity.
    OR One MUST ADD in doing so VERY likely chosing eternal damnatio in theprocess:
    And NO, it’s not my opinion [although I agree with tis truth]
    Heb. 6: 2-8
    [caps for emphasis not shouting]
    TAKE NOTE THAT WHEN THESE WORDS WERE WRITTEN THE ONLY GOD; FAITH AND “CHURCH” WAS TODAYS CC.
    “Of the doctrine of baptisms, and imposition of hands, and of the resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this will we do, if God permit. For it is impossible** for those who were once illuminated,[GRANTED GRACE 4 TRUE FAITH singular]] have tasted also the heavenly gift,[CATHOLIC EUCHARIST] and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,[SAC. OF CONFIRMATION]] Have moreover tasted the good word of God,[CORRECT BIBLE TEACHINGS] And are fallen away: to be renewed again to penance, [SAC. OF CONFESSION] crucifying again to themselves the Son of God, and making him a mockery. For the earth that drinketh in the rain which cometh often upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is tilled, receiveth blessing from God. But that which bringeth forth thorns and briers, is reprobate, and very near unto a curse, whose end is to be burnt
    “IMPOSSIBLE” here does NOT mean that repentace can’t take place; only that Gods necessary grace to do so will be difficult to attain.
    One God
    Founded only His One Church
    & w/ it Only One set of faith beliefs.
    There is absolutely NO doubt that choosing to leave the CC is choosing to Abandon God!
    Amen
    We MUST serve God HIS WAY; period!
    Let us pray for those fooling and selfish enough to have made such a choice
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    Originally Posted by 1answer
    thought i’d add to this– i know quite a few non-praticing catholics– the bible says “raise them up in the Lord, and when they are “old” they will not depart”
    the reality of “end of life” is an eye opener–
    as for rules in the catholic church i believe there are 1276 , where in the OLD testament there are only 613
    Only 1276?
    I would figure you would have to credit at least 1 a year, has to be 2000+.
    edit, ah I see some other answers caught me, didn’t scroll down.
    Should not knowing all the laws one’s country has on the books be a cause to depart (or deport)?
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    My friend is considering converting to another religion outside of Catholicism…. she has made up her mind…. Is there anything official she has to do to leave the Church?
    It is no longer possible to formally defect from the Catholic Church. If she starts practicing another religion, she simply starts practicing another religion.
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    we go to mass once a month as a school. What should she do about that.
    If attendance is obligatory for students, including non-Catholic students, she should probably continue to attend. While there, she does not have to do anything that would violate her religion or conscience. If she is practicing another religion, she should no longer receive the Eucharist.
    If attendance is not obligatory for non-Catholic students, she might opt out.
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    if she leaves the church, but comes back, will she have to be baptized again?
    No. She would go to the sacrament of reconciliation.
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    Originally Posted by PJM
    OR One MUST ADD in doing so VERY likely chosing eternal damnatio in theprocess:
    And NO, it’s not my opinion [although I agree with tis truth]
    Heb. 6: 2-8
    [caps for emphasis not shouting]
    TAKE NOTE THAT WHEN THESE WORDS WERE WRITTEN THE ONLY GOD; FAITH AND “CHURCH” WAS TODAYS CC.
    “Of the doctrine of baptisms, and imposition of hands, and of the resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this will we do, if God permit. For it is impossible** for those who were once illuminated,[GRANTED GRACE 4 TRUE FAITH singular]] have tasted also the heavenly gift,[CATHOLIC EUCHARIST] and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,[SAC. OF CONFIRMATION]] Have moreover tasted the good word of God,[CORRECT BIBLE TEACHINGS] And are fallen away: to be renewed again to penance, [SAC. OF CONFESSION] crucifying again to themselves the Son of God, and making him a mockery. For the earth that drinketh in the rain which cometh often upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is tilled, receiveth blessing from God. But that which bringeth forth thorns and briers, is reprobate, and very near unto a curse, whose end is to be burnt
    “IMPOSSIBLE” here does NOT mean that repentace can’t take place; only that Gods necessary grace to do so will be difficult to attain.
    One God
    Founded only His One Church
    & w/ it Only One set of faith beliefs.
    There is absolutely NO doubt that choosing to leave the CC is choosing to Abandon God!
    Amen
    We MUST serve God HIS WAY; period!
    Let us pray for those fooling and selfish enough to have made such a choice
    hello i would like to know the commentary you are referring to on Hebrews 6, as i have not seen that use of these verses used to justify the sacraments
    thanks i would guess this commentary is common knowledge some where on this catholic answers forum
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    Re: Different religion
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    Originally Posted by PJM
    OR One MUST ADD in doing so VERY likely chosing eternal damnatio in theprocess:
    And NO, it’s not my opinion [although I agree with tis truth]
    Heb. 6: 2-8
    [caps for emphasis not shouting]
    TAKE NOTE THAT WHEN THESE WORDS WERE WRITTEN THE ONLY GOD; FAITH AND “CHURCH” WAS TODAYS CC.
    “Of the doctrine of baptisms, and imposition of hands, and of the resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this will we do, if God permit. For it is impossible** for those who were once illuminated,[GRANTED GRACE 4 TRUE FAITH singular]] have tasted also the heavenly gift,[CATHOLIC EUCHARIST] and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,[SAC. OF CONFIRMATION]] Have moreover tasted the good word of God,[CORRECT BIBLE TEACHINGS] And are fallen away: to be renewed again to penance, [SAC. OF CONFESSION] crucifying again to themselves the Son of God, and making him a mockery. For the earth that drinketh in the rain which cometh often upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is tilled, receiveth blessing from God. But that which bringeth forth thorns and briers, is reprobate, and very near unto a curse, whose end is to be burnt
    “IMPOSSIBLE” here does NOT mean that repentace can’t take place; only that Gods necessary grace to do so will be difficult to attain.
    One God
    Founded only His One Church
    & w/ it Only One set of faith beliefs.
    There is absolutely NO doubt that choosing to leave the CC is choosing to Abandon God!
    Amen
    We MUST serve God HIS WAY; period!
    Let us pray for those fooling and selfish enough to have made such a choice
    Heb. 6: 2-8
    [caps for emphasis not shouting]
    TAKE NOTE THAT WHEN THESE WORDS WERE WRITTEN THE ONLY GOD; FAITH AND “CHURCH” WAS TODAYS CC.
    are u sure??
    saint paul as some people say wrote hebrews around 65 ad, and temple worship was in place at that time–
    and saint paul was said to be warning the people that they could not go back to animal sacrifice, as pointed out in hebrews chapter 5- because Jesus was the completed and perfect sacrifice- and no longer bull and goats could do the job.
    i don’t believe the sacramental system of today CC was in place at this time–
    all though Baptism is mentioned in this section of verses- so obviously that was part of saint paul commentary
    . and further more the heavenly gift was said to be the baptism of the Holy Spirit and all of it’s manifestations..as in Acts 19 — in that paul said have you received the Holy Spirit
    so i also m interested in this unusual sacramental commentary you have posted, and where you copied it from.
    thanks
    i m guessing that the counsel of trent had something to do with it
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    She told me yesterday that she doesn’t believe that one should have to go to church once a week to go to heaven. She wants a religion that she can practice wherever she is, especially if that place does not have a church. She also doesn’t agree with some of the teachings. For example, she doesn’t agree with the teachings on some of the modern issues.
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    I am not sure exactly where to put this, so I put it here. My friend is considering converting to another religion outside of Catholicism, which she has been part of since she was born. I have tried to talk her out of it, but she has made up her mind, and as her friend I have decided to respect her decision. She was baptized as a baby. Is there anything official she has to do to leave the Church? She is going to continue going to a Catholic school since she loves the small classes and teachers. The problem is, we go to mass once a month as a school. What should she do about that. I am asking because she is too afraid to ask for herself. Also, I am curious, if she leaves the church, but comes back, will she have to be baptized again? Any answers would be appreciated, thank you.
    May I ask the age of your friend?
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    Originally Posted by ThePerson
    I am not sure exactly where to put this, so I put it here. My friend is considering converting to another religion outside of Catholicism, which she has been part of since she was born. I have tried to talk her out of it, but she has made up her mind, and as her friend I have decided to respect her decision. She was baptized as a baby. Is there anything official she has to do to leave the Church? She is going to continue going to a Catholic school since she loves the small classes and teachers. The problem is, we go to mass once a month as a school. What should she do about that. I am asking because she is too afraid to ask for herself. Also, I am curious, if she leaves the church, but comes back, will she have to be baptized again? Any answers would be appreciated, thank you.
    You are a true friend, first for trying to dissuade her and second for respecting her decision. I assume that you will come to her defense if there is any backlash against her, which is a possibility. I also assume you are in high school, which I personally hated attending; try not to let any social pressures divide you in the coming years and make sure you respect her beliefs and that she respects yours in return. You might need her in the future if you attend college together, many colleges have an anti-Christian atmosphere which is allowed to continue and continue unabated, I know I attend one. If this is the case she could return the favors you will be bestowing on her now. Good luck and may God bless you both.
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    It might be useful for you to learn more about what she is looking into and why…Obviously she is looking for something that “fits her’ and may not realize that it could very well exist within the Church.
    Being young her view of the Church is probably very legalistic. The Church has rules, and “bosses” etc. She likely sees the church as rather judgmental, and perhaps not very inclusive (gender issues?). She may see the Church as not being very tied to things natural or have a deeply spiritual aspect of the type that she might see in other belief systems.
    In most all of these cases she would be wrong.
    Yes the Church does have leaders and has many rules…but that is barely the surface and that surface only exists as evidence of much deeper and more profound spiritual aspects.
    If you can find out what is that draws her to some other faith or belief system, I’ll wager that the same sort of spirituality can be found in Catholicism.
    You might ask her what her “ideal” spirituality would be (what “fits” her) and if you posted it here – or in a new thread – I’m sure that the good people here could point you and her to great spiritual reading and spiritual paths that would give her a great deal to think about and consider….(Catholics believe that???)(Catholic saints did that???)
    Try it. Be interested in her studies. Draw her out on what she is looking for. The Catholic Church headed by God’s only Son, most likely has it in some form.
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    thought i’d add to this– i know quite a few non-praticing catholics– the bible says “raise them up in the Lord, and when they are “old” they will not depart”
    the reality of “end of life” is an eye opener–
    as for rules in the catholic church i believe there are 1276 , where in the OLD testament there are only 613
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    Originally Posted by 1answer
    thought i’d add to this– i know quite a few non-praticing catholics– the bible says “raise them up in the Lord, and when they are “old” they will not depart”
    the reality of “end of life” is an eye opener–
    as for rules in the catholic church i believe there are 1276 , where in the OLD testament there are only 613
    Be interested to know the source for the 1296 number. Just out of curiosity.
    Of course if one only looks at the number of rules it can seem quite daunting. Yet in reality there is only one principle upon all else is based, and only Two great commands upon which all else rests. The Principle is Love and the Commands are found in Mt 22:36-40.
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    Mar 8, ’13, 2:59 pm
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    =ThePerson;10440267]She told me yesterday that she doesn’t believe that one should have to go to church once a week to go to heaven. She wants a religion that she can practice wherever she is, especially if that place does not have a church. She also doesn’t agree with some of the teachings. For example, she doesn’t agree with the teachings on some of the modern issues.
    God permits us to choose hell just as he permits one conditionally to choose heaven.
    Your friend seems to be blaming “theee Church” for What God Himself commands.
    Actions ALWAYS have consequences. Sooner or later one must, and certainly WILL pay for their personal choices.
    She could “just start her own church”. If she chooses to deny the CC it would result in the same judgment.
    Let het know this and PRAY for her.
    God Bless,
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    Re: Different religion
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    Originally Posted by 1answer
    thought i’d add to this– i know quite a few non-praticing catholics– the bible says “raise them up in the Lord, and when they are “old” they will not depart”
    the reality of “end of life” is an eye opener–
    as for rules in the catholic church i believe there are 1276 , where in the OLD testament there are only 613
    I am sure there have been many more rules than this over the millenia. There is a major difference between Catholic canon law, though. and the OT Law. The Mosaic Law, and all the Levitical laws emanating from it were for the purpose of defining the people of God within their culture. The Catholic canon law is to govern the members of the Church in matters pertaining to daily life. While the Levitical and Mosaic laws could not be changed, Church canon laws do change.
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    =guanophore;10466597]I am sure there have been many more rules than this over the millenia. There is a major difference between Catholic canon law, though. and the OT Law. The Mosaic Law, and all the Levitical laws emanating from it were for the purpose of defining the people of God within their culture. The Catholic canon law is to govern the members of the Church in matters pertaining to daily life. While the Levitical and Mosaic laws could not be changed, Church canon laws do change.
    [quote]Originally Posted by 1answer
    thought i’d add to this– i know quite a few non-praticing catholics– the bible says “raise them up in the Lord, and when they are “old” they will not depart”
    the reality of “end of life” is an eye opener–
    as for rules in the catholic church i believe there are 1276 , where in the OLD testament there are only 613[quote]
    Interestering
    What is the Source for this number? My copy of Canon Law shows “2,414″.
    God Bless,
    pat/PJM
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    Mar 27, ’13, 10:42 am
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    [quote=PJM;10469140][quote]Originally Posted by 1answer
    thought i’d add to this– i know quite a few non-praticing catholics– the bible says “raise them up in the Lord, and when they are “old” they will not depart”
    the reality of “end of life” is an eye opener–
    as for rules in the catholic church i believe there are 1276 , where in the OLD testament there are only 613
    Quote:
    Interestering
    What is the Source for this number? My copy of Canon Law shows “2,414″.
    God Bless,
    pat/PJM
    Darn i guess my copy of the baltimore catechism must be wrong– so thanks for the update on the number or ordanaces
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    Re: Different religion
    Originally Posted by ThePerson
    I am not sure exactly where to put this, so I put it here. My friend is considering converting to another religion outside of Catholicism, which she has been part of since she was born. I have tried to talk her out of it, but she has made up her mind, and as her friend I have decided to respect her decision. She was baptized as a baby. Is there anything official she has to do to leave the Church? She is going to continue going to a Catholic school since she loves the small classes and teachers. The problem is, we go to mass once a month as a school. What should she do about that. I am asking because she is too afraid to ask for herself. Also, I am curious, if she leaves the church, but comes back, will she have to be baptized again? Any answers would be appreciated, thank you.
    hello i interested in what religion is this person considering to be come identified with?
    as i have known many former catholics that attend other denominations, and they have found peace and contentment with other assemblies.. but the counsel of trent did anamithia everyone out side of the catholic religion, but as you can see that this has not stopped people from seeking spiritual answers and results – else where..
    each protestant domination offers a part that appeals to one’s individual intelligence and spiritual maturity.
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    =1toolbox;10548833]Originally Posted by ThePerson
    I am not sure exactly where to put this, so I put it here. My friend is considering converting to another religion outside of Catholicism, which she has been part of since she was born. I have tried to talk her out of it, but she has made up her mind, and as her friend I have decided to respect her decision. She was baptized as a baby. Is there anything official she has to do to leave the Church? She is going to continue going to a Catholic school since she loves the small classes and teachers. The problem is, we go to mass once a month as a school. What should she do about that. I am asking because she is too afraid to ask for herself. Also, I am curious, if she leaves the church, but comes back, will she have to be baptized again? Any answers would be appreciated, thank you.
    hello i interested in what religion is this person considering to be come identified with?
    as i have known many former catholics that attend other denominations, and they have found peace and contentment with other assemblies.. but the counsel of trent did anamithia everyone out side of the catholic religion, but as you can see that this has not stopped people from seeking spiritual answers and results – else where..
    each protestant domination offers a part that appeals to one’s individual intelligence and spiritual maturity.
    OR One MUST ADD in doing so VERY likely chosing eternal damnatio in theprocess:
    And NO, it’s not my opinion [although I agree with tis truth]
    Heb. 6: 2-8
    [caps for emphasis not shouting]
    TAKE NOTE THAT WHEN THESE WORDS WERE WRITTEN THE ONLY GOD; FAITH AND “CHURCH” WAS TODAYS CC.
    “Of the doctrine of baptisms, and imposition of hands, and of the resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this will we do, if God permit. For it is impossible** for those who were once illuminated,[GRANTED GRACE 4 TRUE FAITH singular]] have tasted also the heavenly gift,[CATHOLIC EUCHARIST] and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,[SAC. OF CONFIRMATION]] Have moreover tasted the good word of God,[CORRECT BIBLE TEACHINGS] And are fallen away: to be renewed again to penance, [SAC. OF CONFESSION] crucifying again to themselves the Son of God, and making him a mockery. For the earth that drinketh in the rain which cometh often upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is tilled, receiveth blessing from God. But that which bringeth forth thorns and briers, is reprobate, and very near unto a curse, whose end is to be burnt
    “IMPOSSIBLE” here does NOT mean that repentace can’t take place; only that Gods necessary grace to do so will be difficult to attain.
    One God
    Founded only His One Church
    & w/ it Only One set of faith beliefs.
    There is absolutely NO doubt that choosing to leave the CC is choosing to Abandon God!
    Amen
    We MUST serve God HIS WAY; period!
    Let us pray for those fooling and selfish enough to have made such a choice
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    #27
    Mar 28, ’13, 11:23 am
    ffg
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    Join Date: November 29, 2012
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    Re: Different religion
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by 1answer
    thought i’d add to this– i know quite a few non-praticing catholics– the bible says “raise them up in the Lord, and when they are “old” they will not depart”
    the reality of “end of life” is an eye opener–
    as for rules in the catholic church i believe there are 1276 , where in the OLD testament there are only 613
    Only 1276?
    I would figure you would have to credit at least 1 a year, has to be 2000+.
    edit, ah I see some other answers caught me, didn’t scroll down.
    Should not knowing all the laws one’s country has on the books be a cause to depart (or deport)?
    #28
    Mar 29, ’13, 7:45 am
    aspirant
    Regular Member
    Join Date: January 8, 2010
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    Re: Different religion
    Quote:
    My friend is considering converting to another religion outside of Catholicism…. she has made up her mind…. Is there anything official she has to do to leave the Church?
    It is no longer possible to formally defect from the Catholic Church. If she starts practicing another religion,
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